stance/meaningness

30 Oct 2021 - 17 Jun 2023
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    • Stances Trump Systems

      • Stances are simple, compelling patterns of thinking and feelings concerning meaningness. For example: “I’m an ordinary guy,” or “the only real purpose in life is to squeeze as much pleasure out of it as you can before you die,” or “good people follow the rules,”
      • Systems are big, complicated things with lots of details you are supposed to believe and do. Systems have salespeople, who argue passionately in their favor.
      • Stances are very simple, and don’t require any specific beliefs or practices. No one explicitly promotes them. You pick them up automatically from our cultural “thought soup.”
      • Stances sound like they are instruments of practical intelligent action, whereas systems are more like beliefs. So stances “trump” systems in exactly the way that embodied cognition trumps abstract reasoning – they are prior, more powerful, and consequentially where more of the interesting stuff happens.
      • Another way of saying this is that stances are largely unconscious/nonverbal whereas systems are inherently expressed and transmitted through language
      • Confused stances are insidious, because they are unnoticed. Because no one argues for them, no one argues against them. They are memes, mental viruses that people propagate by talking, without awareness of them.
      • Of course systems and stances can be related. Chapman expresses this oddly:
      • Systems can help stabilize particular stances.
      • Using Christianity and eternalism as examples. Whereas I might naively have said that they create or promote or teach stances. The choice of language implies that the stances are prior to the ideology, metaphysically upstream.
    • Stances are unstable

      • A long example of someone cycling through many stances in the course of a single speech, meant to illustrate that stances, unlike beliefs, are tools we apply for particular purposes in particular situations, not things we permanently subscribe to. This seems to be both a feature
      • This instability [how one confused stance leads to another] is one reason stances trump systems. No matter how determined you are to stick to a system, the stances connected with it are likely to slide out from under you.
      • And a bug:
      • you can catch yourself sliding from one to another like this. The flip-flopping is often accompanied by anxiety, which can produce rebellious negativity or fake sweetness. Those are clues you are caught up in a confused stance.
      • Here stances trump systems in the sense of undermining or overruling them.
      • The antidotes to this whole process are the complete stances. Unfortunately, they too are unstable. They are unstable not because they fail to fit reality, but because they don’t offer the emotional pay-offs the confused stances do.
      • But you can work on stabilizing the complete stances. That seems to be the only way forward out of this amorphous morass of confused stances.
    • nebulosity/eternalism/fixation/denial
      • The nebulosity of meaningness causes various problems: practical, social, and psychological. (Much of this book describes such problems.) Often, people would like to get rid of nebulosity, or pretend that it is not there.
      • Confused stances are attitudes to meaningness that refuse to acknowledge nebulosity. One strategy is to fixate meanings, attempting to deny their nebulosity by trying to make them solid, eternal, and unambiguous. Another is to deny meaningfulness altogether, or to say that it is not important, or cannot be known.
      • Because meaningness is both nebulous and real, these confused stances fail, and cause new, worse problems.
      • Complete stances acknowledge nebulosity, and its inseparable partner, pattern.
      • I can barely imagine what it's like to be an eternalist, I'm so far on the other side of the spectrum. So I don't find myself committing those errors very often, whereas I'm very prone to fall into nihilism.
    • Confused stances come in pairs / no middle way
      • In fact, it’s usually impossible to find a “middle” position anyway. In each pair of confused stances, one categorically denies what the other fixates.
      • For instance, the stance of true self holds that there is a mysterious essence of the person; the stance of selflessness holds that there is none. The reality of selfness might be described as “between” these extremes, once it is found. But “in the middle” is not a helpful hint for where to look. What is halfway between existence and non-existence?1
      • Fictional existance? We are the characters in the stories we tell. Like Sherlock Holmes, not quite real but not nothing either. See living fictions
      • This section too contrasts a sort of muddled compromise with something better (the complete stance).