Choose your own review/for illusionists

19 May 2024 - 15 Jun 2024
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    • We have no free will, but we aren't allowed to know it.

      • You are an "illusionist". I find this a fascinating attitude, and have been drawn to it myself because of its paradoxical qualities. But if an illusion is truly necessary, then it can't really be called an illusion any more. Those who claim to be able to somehow step outside the illusion and see it for what it is -- taking the red pill and escaping the matrix, in effect -- are deluding themselves, and are in no better shape than the poor deluded fools in the base level.
      • I've seen such arguments made for religion, that it is beneficial or even necessary for human flourishing, and that supercedes any trutfhulness or lack thereof. But it makes more sense for free will. If you don't at some level believe you have it, then you can't operate at all.
      • There's No Such Thing as Free Will - The Atlantic
        • Saul Smilansky, a philosophy professor at the University of Haifa, in Israel, has wrestled with this dilemma throughout his career and come to a painful conclusion: “We cannot afford for people to internalize the truth” about free will. Smilansky is convinced that free will does not exist in the traditional sense—and that it would be very bad if most people realized this.
        • Smilansky advocates a view he calls illusionism—the belief that free will is indeed an illusion, but one that society must defend.
        • Borges
          • I believe that free will is a necessary illusion. Right now, I feel free. But if you were to assure me now that the moment I said “right now, I feel free” I could not have said otherwise, I would accept that there is no such thing as free will. But we need that belief, perhaps false, in order to write. That is, we need to believe that we make free choices. That is, we may well be pieces on a board, but we must think of ourselves as the players moving those pieces. And it’s funny that you should ask me about it, since only yesterday I was writing a foreword for William James's The Will to Believe, which deals with this question of free will. And I also remembered Jonathan Edwards who wrote a defense of predestination a century and a half before. I think that if someone were to tell us now that from the moment we were born up until this very moment we have been mere puppets, we have been forced to do what we did, not by the will of some god but, you know, as a result of an infinite number of past events, we would accept it. But if anyone were to tell us right now that we are helpless, we would reject the idea. Perhaps the mere illusion of free will is enough for us.
      • If you are some kind of Everett-interpretation multiverse weenie

        • Hm, this is anti-free-choice and also a kind of illusionism. Every time there is a choice between A and B, you take both but generate differeent versions of yourself, each of which thinks they have made a particular choice, and each correct in their separate spheres.
      • Why is it so hard to have a coherent theory of agency?

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        • Agency seems like something we should all understand, since we all embody it, by definition. We are built up and trained for it. Our education and culture is supposed to make us not just into agents, but good agents. Competent adults who seem to know what they are doing. Who know how to act for their own benefit and the benefit of those around them.